He briefly achieves this form, and is able to view the past, present and future, as well as freely alter the universe. (@ultraphoenix), https://twitter.com/spacekicker/status/1364588644032421889. The mountain represents the Devil, or his world, since the Devil was one part of the whole of matter, but the world is the total mountain of evil, a deserted dwelling place of beasts, to which all who lived before the law and all Gentiles render worship. Not to mention she proves that she can inhibit America's powers by dosing her with a counter serum. A partially powered Demiurge (aka the Semiurge) holds off Mother's attacks Fully turns into the Demiurge through the power of love As the full-powered Demiurge, he casually removes Mother from existence, who is an extremely powerful matter manipulator, and removes everyone from the pocket dimension into the main universe. Are they confirmed it or hinted about it? 07:49AM Demiurge. When Norman Osborn invaded Asgard with his army of superpowered beings and H.A.M.M.E.R. It has been demonstrated that without the ability to hear his own words, the spell cannot be cast, though other uses of his powers have been done seemingly effortlessly and without words. Emil Cioran also wrote his Le mauvais dmiurge ("The Evil Demiurge"), published in 1969, influenced by Gnosticism and Schopenhauerian interpretation of Platonic ontology, as well as that of Plotinus. The law of necessary procession and the eternity of the universe (ch.3). @j2111: Hi may I ask where you got these 4th and 5th scans from? Not to mention the fact that he as the demiurge was drawn by America in said Made in a USA comic run before Catalina showed up. Following an analysis by Scholem this etymology no longer enjoyed any notable support. [49] In the ninth tractate of the second of his Enneads, Plotinus criticizes his opponents for their appropriation of ideas from Plato: From Plato come their punishments, their rivers of the underworld and the changing from body to body; as for the plurality they assert in the Intellectual Realmthe Authentic Existent, the Intellectual-Principle, the Second Creator and the Soulall this is taken over from the Timaeus. It's not fair. 3. So what he can one day maybe make a universe in how much time and at what cost? Back at the Avengers Mansion, Billy was eager to begin Sylvie's training, but she seemed more interested in getting closer to Billy, whom she appeared to be attracted to, causing Billy a degree of discomfort. After discovering that Hulkling had been going out as a superhero without his knowledge, he and Wiccan fight over the choice to become superheroes again. Prodigy contacts the younger members of the X-Men at the Jean Grey School, and word gets around quickly. After looking into it, Sam Wilson found that someone with Avengers membership and passcodes had helped the Skull escape. The only other thing he ever did was wipe out a dimensional parasite, that is at best as powerful as any other entity ruling their own dimension like Mephisto or the like, but likely considerable weaker. Respect Wiccan (Marvel, 616) : r/respectthreads - reddit All matches made by Wiccan will clear their row or column, dealing damage and generating AP. THE STORY ISNT FINISHED as I keep saying. While being attacked, Billy's powers manifested for the first time. Doctor Strange has also claimed that Wiccan has the potential to be the next Sorcerer Supreme. The user is able to perform/cast a rare variety of magic spells and feats that manipulates reality itself to various degrees. Wiccan was featured in the HeroClix figure game. (ch. Humiliated and defeated, Osborn ordered the remaining members of his team to stand down, simply stating to the YA that, "This never happened." Loki tells them that they need his help in order to destroy the parasite, and they agree. ToyBiz produced a figure of Wiccan for the Marvel Legends line as part of an exclusive Young Avengers box set. A bit desperate too. Stature later defected to the pro-registration side, stating that she did not want to go to prison like Wiccan had. The Young Avengers agreed that in order for reality to stabilize, Iron Lad must return to his own time. Nebro creates six angels in addition to the angel Saklas to be his assistants. 13). The Super-Skrull killed Hulkling's foster mother and captured Hulkling to his ship to take him back to the Skrull Empire. Recognizing the Runaways under attack by registration agents on a monitoring screen, the Young Avengers set out to assist them and convince them to join the anti-registration side. The group travels to New York to discuss what they should do, but they are found by Ms. Altman, and defeated. In the Nag Hammadi text On the Origin of the World, the three sons of Yaldabaoth are listed as Yao, Eloai, and Astaphaios.[31]. After defeating Mr. Hyde, Patriot admitted that he had not inherited his grandfather's Super Soldier abilities and promptly quit the Young Avengers. During their search, Wiccan and Speed openly referred to the Scarlet Witch as their mother and to one another as brothers. Youre really trying to use a brand new scan that hasnt been explained in a still unfinished story. Sometime later, Billy is targeted by the Vridai, a race of shapeshifters expelled from their home during War of the Realms. As he writes in his commentary on John 4:21. Wiccan and the rest of the Young Avengers (excluding Stature) decided not to register, Hawkeye and Patriot serving with the underground resistance team known as the Secret Avengers. The advice from Pandemonium helped Billy, who is sated for now. In the future, Wiccan will become the Demiurge, a singular multidimensional Messiah, according to Loki. After three months in exile, Wiccan and the team are approached by the former X-Man and mutant Prodigy, who tells them that Speed, Wiccan's twin brother, was kidnapped by a mysterious figure wearing a Patriot uniform. 1. He has the power to rewrite and shape reality to his will. Then within this intellectual triad Iamblichus assigns the third rank to the Demiurge, identifying it with the perfect or Divine nous with the intellectual triad being promoted to a hebdomad (pure intellect). [28][42] And as Achamoth herself was only the daughter of Sopha the last of the thirty Aeons, the Demiurge was distant by many emanations from the Propatr, or Supreme God. That night, however, the woman attacks Wiccan's parents. Whereas Plato's Demiurge is good wishing good on his creation, Gnosticism contends that the Demiurge is not only the originator of evil but is evil as well. You will notice in the following scans that it takes him around 2-3 chants for the spell to fully activate. The battle was negotiated when the Super-Skrull disguised himself as Hulkling and agreed to spend time with each empire before deciding which to join. The former was dkaios, severely just, the latter agaths, or loving-kind; the former was the "god of this world",[41] the God of the Old Testament, the latter the true God of the New Testament. (sorry i'm clueless but if this was true wouldn't that make him like the most powerful person in the universe? Demiurge, under Mor-I-Dun's control, attacked the Avengers and his husband, King Hulk . Meaning as he stands now his best feat is destroying a universe in 20 years despite being bloodlusted. His brother Tommy, who was a trained sorcerer, assisted the Avengers and the two fought each other until their father the Vision intercepted and destroyed Ultron, ending the battle. Raven as the unkindness absorbed infinite planes, timelines, multiverse, gods etc Point blank, "the author confirmed on Twitter that the transformation lightning of the Wizard couldn't even harm the Unkindness, it's basically unstoppable and it's implied that Adam needs to travel back in time to prevent Raven from getting these powers. Billy met Iron Lad at the Avengers Mansion while seeking Scarlet Witch. 2 yr. ago. T. Demiurge (William "Billy" Kaplan, Wiccan) - Superhero Database Didnt this Raven end her universe? 1. During a trap laid by Iron Man and the pro-registration heroes, in which they planned to immediately take out the resistance's teleporters - Cloak & Wiccan - Wiccan was captured and sent to the N-Zone prison for his involvement with the underground Avengers. Billy and the other Young Avengers were then confronted by Iron Man, Captain America, and Jessica Jones who disapproved of their unsanctioned vigilantism. ). The Young Avengers managed to escape to Billy's household. All those statements are never verified when they were not outright contradicted or retconned. It's existence has been retconned hence he has no such feats. But the devil, as being a spirit of wickedness, is able to recognise the higher spiritual world, of which his maker the Demiurge, who is only animal, has no real knowledge. 257, 382). We've seen it done by far lesser characters. And what else has the oh so overhyped Demiurge done? 2). Both Jarvis and the Hulk tried to sway them from taking such measures, but they refused, and unwittingly unleashed Kluh - the Hulk's Hulk. The villain was specifically stated to be after the Demiurge abilities and to finally have them at full power when he destroyed one universe and seemingly himself along with it. Hes even been mentioned in Strikeforce another recent comic book run with Wiccan himself. pantheism). [10] In this, he claimed to reveal Plato's true meaning: a doctrine he learned from Platonic tradition that did not appear outside the academy or in Plato's text. During this time, the Super-Skrull stated his belief that Billy and Tommy's similarities in appearance and powers indicated that they were the twin sons of the Scarlet Witch and the Vision. In Middle Platonist and Numenius's Neo-Pythagorean cosmogenies, the Demiurge is second God as the nous or thought of intelligibles and sensibles[4] (Middle Platonism and Neo-Pythagoreanism overlapped: both originating in the early 1st century BC and extending through to the end of the 2nd century AD or even into the 3rd century). Cookie Notice The absurdities of the Gnostic doctrine of the fall of "Wisdom" (Sophia) and of the generation and activities of the Demiurge, maker of the visible universe (chs. Sophia (Greek: , lit. Wanda vs Wiccan powers comparison question : r/Marvel - reddit Billy Kaplan is a Young Avenger and later found out that he and Speed are the Scarlet Witch's formerly dead twin sons. As the full-powered Demiurge, he casually removes Mother from existence, who is an extremely powerful matter manipulator, and removes everyone from the pocket dimension into the main universe. Billy scoffed at her advice and told her maybe if he had powers like her he could. Am not jumping the gun, am presenting the evidence as is. After Secret Wars, Billy and Hulking joined the new Avengers team that Sunspot built from A.I.M., facing off against The Maker. Wiccan, Speed, and Hulkling team up with Xavin and the Runaways to defeat the Super-Skrulls that are sent to assassinate Hulkling. He called a large meeting, inviting everyone who'd ever held Avengers membership to join him in the Tower. Realizing that the Scarlet Witch must be a prisoner of Doctor Doom, Billy sneaks into Latveria on his own to find her. Barely universal like I said the whole time? 'wisdom'), the Demiurge's mother and partial aspect of the divine Pleroma or "Fullness," desired to create something apart from the divine totality, without the receipt of divine assent. 9). None of which are multivetsal. Teleports his teammates who were spread out at the time mid-fight, so he has good accuracy when it comes to teleporting. The ending panel for issue 3 is, Chavez "sister" revealing more people like her and America created by replicating America's mom's experiments. @j2111: @imquentin: And since all those nonsensical statements we've seen this lame deus ex machina in actual effect in New Avengers. He and Teddy continue to be in a relationship. After they teleported, there was also a huge lightning bolt that staggered the Avengers. The Demiurge belongs to the second kind, as he was the offspring of a union of Achamoth with matter. Plato, as the speaker Timaeus, refers to the Demiurge frequently in the Socratic dialogue Timaeus (28a ff. Billy explained to the woman what had happened and was shocked to see the woman was none other than Scarlet Witch. His inclusion on the team allowed the future X-Men to gain mastery over both science and magic. Wiccan continued as a member of the Young Avengers (now including Tommy as "Speed") until the events of Civil War and the Superhero Registration Act forced the team to go underground as part of Captain America's anti-registration team of superheroes. Before the Vision could reveal the identity of the father, a battle erupted between Kree and Skrull forces over the fate of Hulkling. Instead, the Young Avengers continued to function as a team, now using Kate Bishop's resources to support them. He also is vitally important in Avengers: Children's Crusade (which is more or less an unofficial volume of . During the events of Dark Reign, Billy and the other Young Avengers encounter another group of superpowered teenagers running around using the name "Young Avengers". @killianduclark: Thats not even remotely debunking anything. Billy and the Young Avengers are the first team to respond to invading Skrulls in New York. "[47], Catharism apparently inherited their idea of Satan as the creator of the evil world from Gnosticism. Teleports an entire prisoner van to a secure SHIELD location. Isn't Raven a magic user? The team agrees to look for Speed and they use Miss America's interdimensional powers to find him. A woman jogger passed by and asked him if he was okay because she saw the boy was bleeding. Wiccan (real name William "Billy" Kaplan) is a comic book character, a member of the Young Avengers, a team of teenage superheroes in the Marvel Universe. Character The team travels to Europe to find her, but instead find a doombot posing as her. Kat Farrell of the Daily Bugle was at the scene, dubbing them the "Young Avengers" and after reporting to J. Jonah Jameson of the Daily Bugle he decided to put Jessica Jones on the assignment of finding out who they were. Plotinus criticizes his opponents for "all the novelties through which they seek to establish a philosophy of their own" which, he declares, "have been picked up outside of the truth";[50] they attempt to conceal rather than admit their indebtedness to ancient philosophy, which they have corrupted by their extraneous and misguided embellishments. The earliest Gnostic sects ascribe the work of creation to angels, some of them using the same passage in Genesis. Soon after, Billy married his longtime boyfriend, Hulking, however, their new life is briefly interrupted when Hulking takes his rightful place as the king of a Kree and Skrull alliance. William Kaplan (Earth-616) | Marvel Database | Fandom People need to get over the fact that they potrayed it as him standing on the comic panels. 2022. , ! According to some strains of Gnosticism, the demiurge is malevolent, as it is linked to the material world. No she's above Hectate the goddesses of magic in the multiverse . The battle culminated with Iron Lad killing Kang which altered the past and present. Gnosticism attributed falsehood or evil to the concept of the Demiurge or creator, though in some Gnostic traditions the creator is from a fallen, ignorant, or lesserrather than evilperspective, such as that of Valentinius. He even held the comic panels in his hands and manipulated what was going to happen in then for gods sakes Im pretty sure he takes this. Billy joins him at his side, and they play a part in stopping a Cotati invasion of Earth. Wiccan last edited by In the Apocryphon of John c.AD 120180, the demiurge arrogantly declares that he has made the world by himself: Now the archon ["ruler"] who is weak has three names. The devil resides in this lower world, of which he is the prince, the Demiurge in the heavens; his mother Sophia in the middle region, above the heavens and below the Pleroma.[45]. The true doctrine about Universal Soul and the goodness of the universe which it forms and rules (chs. [44] According to one variant of the Valentinian system, the Demiurge is also the maker, out of the appropriate substance, of an order of spiritual beings, the devil, the prince of this world, and his angels. @j2111: Yeah, I've seen all that before. Billy used his magical abilities to send Sentry away, taking Osborn's most valuable team member off the board. It is on this account that Moses says, at the creation of man alone that God said, "Let us make man," which expression shows an assumption of other beings to himself as assistants, in order that God, the governor of all things, might have all the blameless intentions and actions of man, when he does right attributed to him; and that his other assistants might bear the imputation of his contrary actions. When Hulkling is hurt during the battle, Billy uses his powers to put the Sons into comas. Something being made from a gods breath is standard prose about creation. It was in this moment that Osborn called in the big gun. Especially considering said story isnt even completed and is still running so whos to say Catalina is lying? Wiccan discovered that he and the newest recruit, a youth with super speed by the name of Tommy Shepard, were identical in appearance. Wiccan's force fields have become progressively stronger through his time in comics. False and melodramatic Gnostic teaching about the cosmic spheres and their influence (ch. The ordering principle is twofold; there is a principle known as the Demiurge, and there is the Soul of the All; the appellation "Zeus" is sometimes applied to the Demiurge and sometimes to the principle conducting the universe. Respect William "Billy" Kaplan, aka Wiccan. Teleports an entire prisoner van to a secure SHIELD location. Wiccan is destined to become the cosmic entity Demiurge though, so I'd say he has "more potentional" but is still very much in-training. The Gnostics adopted the term demiurge. The box set would prove to be one of the last Marvel Legends products produced by ToyBiz before the Marvel license transferred to Hasbro. In Pistis Sophia, Yaldabaoth has already sunk from his high estate and resides in Chaos, where, with his forty-nine demons, he tortures wicked souls in boiling rivers of pitch, and with other punishments (pp. After a brief engagement, the Dark Avengers and the Masters were all but defeated. writes, "There is a direct link between ancient Gnosticism and Catharism. Clown move to be jumping the gun so quickly. But what he (demiurge) showed or said is less than what raven did in the future state (destroyed: the new genesis, speed force wall, hell). By stating an intent and focusing on the outcome. Is Wiccan THE Demiurge? : Marvel - reddit Flabbergasted, he then admitted that she was his favorite Avenger. Magic/Reality-Warping: Billy's main power is the superhuman ability to manipulate reality at will, enabling him to tap into the universe's store of magical energies, which he inherited from his spiritual mother the Scarlet Witch. The Young Avengers are seen fighting a terrorist group called the Sons if the Serpent. While still trying to decide how to continue their activities while staying under the radar of the New Avengers, Hulkling was kidnapped by the Super-Skrull. It is possible to interrupt the cast, and apparently if he can't hear himself chanting the spell, it won't cast. They are rescued by Noh-Varr and Kate Bishop, and the team flees to Central Park in order to avoid bringing too many people into the spell. He is a reality warper, according to Loki. [18] So Irenaeus tells[19] of the system of Simon Magus,[20] of the system of Menander,[21] of the system of Saturninus, in which the number of these angels is reckoned as seven, and[22] of the system of Carpocrates. The senseless jargon of the Gnostics, their plagiarism from and perversion of Plato, and their insolent arrogance (ch. Forcibly teleports Loki to the Young Avengers, Teleports a car in front of an asteroid so it crashes, Transports Hulkling's "mom" to the 616 from a completely different universe, Locates Bucky Barnes and teleports his teammates to him, Teleports people in close proximity to him.