The reason they were happy to get rid was cost. Ukraine warns Russia has 'almost completed' build-up of forces near border - CNN. Yes and who do you think gave them the green light. The ships - which included a . No Typhoons in Romania at present, but USAF F-15Es there. Is not the opposite more true? Royal Navy shadows nine Russian warships around the UK Supplying intel and light weapons will not change the outcome much , Russia will win regardless of the losses shell receive. An interesting question is how much does Kremlin insider Klyushin being in US custody have to do with the escalation? Estimates of the numbers of new Russian troops moved closer to Ukraine vary from 60,000 to around 100,000, with a U.S. intelligence document suggesting that number could be ramped up to 175,000. 'We are asking for more, and we are expecting to have more,' Mr Prystaiko told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. Its what happens after Russia invades that know one is sure about. So many completely underestimate the complexity and difficulties of achieving the kill chain with Anti ship missiles. 5 It remains unclear whether tanker Karma accidentally revealed its location. , As you can see from the pic at the top the Russian ship is within visual range. In a call to Mr Lavrov, Mr Blinken 'stressed the importance of continuing a diplomatic path to de-escalate tensions'. UK, US and some Baltic states seem to be the only ones that seem they maybe willing to fight. Reuters provides business, financial, national and international news to professionals via desktop terminals, the world's media organizations, industry events and directly to consumers. The Ukraininans particularly will give a good account of themselves. [1/6]British Royal Navy's Type 45 destroyer HMS Defender is docked in the Black Sea port of Odessa, Ukraine June 18, 2021. What is aerial refuelling and how does it work? But more significantly, the conclusion was the Belgrano would have been pummelled by the sheer weight of accurate fire that both Blake and Tiger could put down. Itll make Snatch Landrover fiasco look trivial. This was at the request of the Australian Government. LONDON, June 24 (Reuters) - Russia warned Britain on Thursday that it would bomb British naval vessels in the Black Sea if there were any further provocative actions by the British navy off the. And hand wash Plane Cleaning popping up everywhere? In comarison with previous pictures those ships are sailing well loaded. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday Moscow was not ready to wait forever for a response and that it wanted a detailed written response to every Russian proposal. As they have plenty of gear around Ukraine already it makes sense that at least some of the 6 are bound for Tartus. Thu Feb 3 2022 - 19:50. It seems a good time to propose it in the commons. Lots of disinformation out there I dont understand how Trump takes no blame on either side of the Atlantic for signing the peace deal with the Taliban of all groups but Biden blamed on this board with no push back. Im all for countries determining their own choices, but I can see Putins concerns. LOL Ivan you really are poster boy for Putin . Sheer incompetence being the only major navy in the world to not have AsUW capability beyond a 4.5 pea shooter. The assessment said Moscow had deployed troops to the border on a 'permanent' basis and said the movement of 'stockpiles of ammunition, field hospitals and security services' to the hinterlands confirmed 'the preparation for offensive operations'. Im not entirely sure how/where you have Ur info ref Astutes having v limited Comms when dived from? If the US had done this early enough the Russians would have back off. View our online Press Pack. Under international law of the sea, innocent passage permits a vessel to pass through another state's territorial waters so long as this does not affect its security. How does that relate to this story? The big question is-could this conflict once started, and if NATO do get involved, be limited to a conventional battle? The diplomat hit out at Germany for failing to match Britain's offer of military aid, with Berlin preferring to focus on the threat of sanctions. Please review our, You need to be a subscriber to join the conversation. The stark warning comes after two rounds of last ditch talks between the West and Russia failed to de-escalate the conflict which has threatened to bubble over since late last year. Commander Ed Moss-Ward, HMS Portland's commanding officer, said: "Escorting warships in UK territorial waters and the adjacent sea areas is routine activity for the Royal Navy. This may include adverts from us and 3rd parties based on our understanding. Chechen warlord 'seriously ill' but refuses to call Russian doctors Russian forces could expand the fighting in Donbass to draw Ukraine into a conventional conflict, said Neil Melvin, director of International Security Studies at the RUSI think-tank in London. The Royal Navy has shadowed nine Russian warships around the UK in the last two weeks alone - as Vladimir Putin increases his military presence in British waters. So, USA has no troops in Ukraine? That's why he wants to overthrow the government of Volodymyr Zelenskyj in Kyiv. If the RN really wants anti ship missiles, we would get them. True , I seem to remember one the OSINT Bunker pod cast guys saying if they start to move Air assets near the Ukraine border than probably the war is on , they have just done that. T31 is being procured to a strict budget, to get these vessels built and in service pretty quick, and we can upgrade once in service if the need requires it, they are large, and will be a very flexible design allowing more kit to be integrated over the years. Russian warships in English Channel prompt UK Navy shadowing operation Very old school looking set up and equipment. I think ill have a drink now. And if we enter a shooting war with Russia. At least Ukraine is on a democratic pathway! If they cant see it the RU navy will likely assess its not there. Going after the Ukraine neatly side steps the maritime flank to some extent. 'This is extremely dangerous. Russia has repeatedly denied that it is planning an invasion and instead demanded that NATO bar Ukraine from membership. Thats what I was thinking, but invading Ukraine probably isnt allowed under international law. You forgot Estonia which is British led! russian dockyards will need to build more tugs. They now believe they have achieved their goal and no longer have to bowRead more , Err no. AnyRead more , Once again I must say that your assessment is spot on. Thomas C. D'Arcy, encountered a formation of seven Chinese and Russian warships in the Bering Sea last month. We do need more ships and we will increase the number of frigates in the years to come. Coast Guard captain describes encounter with Chinese, Russian warships NATOs multinational battlegroup in Bulgaria reached full operational capability on Wednesday. They attack a completely different country miles from that one? When the world is fully and singularly looking at that location. Still better than a 4.5 gun. The RN suffered badly in the Falklands through short sightedness and gaps in capabilities, and is sadly doomed to suffer again unless it takes the enemies and their capabilities and tactics seriously. Since then its been regular movements in/out as the Russian military cycled as many as possible through Syria for the experience. Its the same with 90% of Russian kit. Even so, Ukraine's Defense Ministry said it was accelerating its plan to form reserve battalions, a move that would help it rapidly deploy 130,000 recruits to bolster its 246,000-strong armed forces. Certainly Ivan is getting very desperate now with the prop.! A 4 ship of F35s could put 36 missiles into the target area from over 100km away with the advantage of stealth. As for the numbers unvaccinated, I know Putins trolls have been stoking that fire with conspiracy theories about the vaccines. "The U.S. Coast Guard is currently monitoring the Russian . Meanwhile, in a show of support for former Soviet republics, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace yesterday visited Latvia. Trump was an idiot and poor president. Ireland's defence minister says Russian tests off the coast are unwanted, but cannot be stopped. The Russian ships' 'highly irregular' movements sparked Swedish authorities to deploy hundreds of troops and armoured vehicles to the island of Gotland. At this distance we could also send a cutting out party/borders Im sure! At talks this week with the United States and NATO, Russia has sought security guarantees to defuse the crisis. Combined, these would provide us with a very capable deterrent for home defence from land, sea and air. There are only 4 sets available for the Type 45s taken off the Type 22 Batch 3s. Blocking the straits is a far cry than just a few drone attacks. It has a much wider capture angle. Ill also add American Democrats have a strong distaste for Putin starting roughly in early 2017 when US intelligence agencies determined Russia helped elect Trump. And therein lies the fate of the world!! Where do they and other countries replace it from? If you were spending months in a bunker in a trench system in that climate I think it may well matter. Whereas I have friends and colleagues dotted along the West Coast which is how I can call out your nonsense on that one. Giving his annual speech to the Royal United Services Institute, the Defence chief said: They are flexing their muscles in our own back yard with an ostentation they have not displayed since the Cold War. Count on enhancing economic & financial cooperation. Agree entirely with what you say but I feel Trump was the one who emboldened Putin in the first place with his wimpish behaviour and with Biden following and little if any better, then no wonder Putin is considering pushing his luck. Two weeks ago nearly a dozen warships and combat aircraft from Russia's Northern, Baltic and Black Sea fleets gave a "show of force in the waters off the British and Irish coasts" General . Britain said the shots were part of a Russian gunnery exercise. ', She said it mimicked the playbook used when Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula, and included social media disinformation to show Kiev as the instigator of violence. Your posts are very aggressive. EFP is irrelevant to the Russo-Ukraine situation. Some showed messages saying:'Be afraid and expect the worst.'. Published. Nuclear centrifuge assembly plants. Indeed you wouldnt need ships to eliminate those ducks as you wouldnt in the Dardanelles if they ever got in a pickle there either as Britain found out before the Gallipoli campaign became a hasty if equally ill fated alternative. Preliminary analysis of the vessels suggests 3 groups. On Monday, two C-17 transporters left the UK with 2,000 armour-piercing missile systems and soldiers to teach Ukraine's forces how to use them. Russian warships filmed off coast of Britain as Royal Navy shadows Seizing southern Ukraine could cut Kyiv off from the coast and NATO's presence in the Black Sea, Melvin said, and could play well with Russian nationalists who see the area as the historic 'Novorossiya' lands or 'New Russia'. The anti-tank weapon systems weve sent out recently are a welcome contribution alongside the stuff the US sent out last year, but much more should have been done and long before now. Trump was right about Germany being too dependent upon Russian gas and some EU states not spending enough on defence. UK politicians have been cutting our forces (numerically) once or twice a decade since the end of the Korean War, ie over the last 70 years, not just the last 30 years. I stand by my comments and time will tell. (apologies for the convoluted English there!). If Russia invades what do they do next? The military ship activated its AIS tracker on Wednesday at 10am, making it visible on real-time marine traffic tracker. Didnt work out too well last time. Times where unity is needed he takes EU presidency and is calling for the EU to do their own deal with Russia. The British destroyer visited the Ukrainian port of Odessa this week, where an agreement was signed for Britain to help upgrade Ukraine's navy. The region has been on a knife-edge since the end of last year when Moscow moved as many as 100,000 troops, as well as tanks and missiles, close to the border. Whether hell succeed with his military distraction where General Galtieri failed with this strategy is open to question. We are were we are now and it should have never have got to this point. Please leave a comment below if you have something to say! Hi mate. Protect their own borders through forward defence. Whilst the Canada and now Mexico border problems are now very real indeed. ", DON'T MISS:Vladimir Putin braced for Kremlin 'ultra-nationalists' mutiny[REPORT] West puzzled after Putin evacuates warships and submarines from region [REPORT] UK tanks to cause 'real problems' for Russia on Ukrainian frontline[REPORT]. HMSs Dragon and Defender never had Harpoon fitted. Biden??? As @RB has posted a lack of ASM is not high on the list of RNs priorities, whatever the reasons. In his annual Defence speech, General Sir Nick Carter also said it was 'too early to plot the demise of the tank'. I would have personally expected more from an accomplished person such as Merkel and her predecessors in making sure there is no reliance on anything from a potential enemy, but as the Germans can be smart, they can be equally daft. Sweden has also been reinforcing its forces on the island of Gotland in case the Russians attempt anything there. I have faith in the crews and TTPs, I have limited faith when the top brass dispense with offensive capabilities that the USN and every other major navy endorses. Defence Forces monitoring Russian warships acting unusually off Irish Pity we dont have an enormous fleet of attack submarines to take out surface ships. Resources, they have plenty of their own. The proliferation of this capability within the new Russian Navy is profoundly changing its ability to deter, threaten or destroy adversary targets. We use your sign-up to provide content in ways you've consented to and to improve our understanding of you. Clever move, and itll be Trumps fault the Russians invade on Bidens watch. A senior State Department official said: 'This is neither an exercise nor normal troop movement. And the Russian surface fleet is still very much made up of 80s tech, that isnt very reliable. British warships escort Russian fleet through English Channel, Turkeys first dedicated intelligence-gathering ship, TCG. The Russians are on drawdown but maintaining overwatch I understand. To what end? Large cruise missile ship, the Marshal Ustinov, is one of at least three Russian navy ships that have been travelling back from the Mediterranean to their home port in the north of Russia. We in the West lost sight of the long term strategic goal of the US is remaining the sole superpowewr. Therefore in theory at least for the narrowest Dover-Calais area we could do that. Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said the intelligence was 'very credible.'. Because I dont have anybody living on the USA/Canada so I dont know the situation. Britain was unexpectedly embroiled in a diplomatic and military dispute with Russia on Wednesday after Royal Navy destroyer HMS Defender briefly sailed through territorial waters off the coast. Severn was also on patrol as the Vice-Admiral Kulakov sailed through the Channel. Add in SPEAR EW, which will be an air launched jammer, creating false targets, and the bad guys are going to have a veryRead more . if 25% could actually get out of harbour before breaking down! This stuff was going on long before sites like this were around to report it in the public domain. George is on Twitter at @geoallison, Comments may automatically be held for moderation by our team, they will be approved as soon as possible in accordance with our. Next time round-Hillary Clinton vsRead more , Grandpa Biden has been engaged with the Pentagon bigwigs and was informed that Troops had already been pulled out of Vietnam .Now have your 40 winks and Cocoa, You cant blame Trump for this. The Turks the bosphorous cutting off vital Shipping routes to Russia. The Sentinel 2 satellite image, taken at 11:47 local time, shows at least 14 vessels. For further details of our complaints policy and to make a complaint please click this link: thesun.co.uk/editorial-complaints/, Russian corvette Boikiy (back) which was shadowed by HMS Lancaster, A sailor on board HMS Severn monitoring Russian patrol ship Vasily Bykov and in the background submarine Stary Oskol, The Russian corvette Boikiy (front) was followed by HMS Lancaster, Russian warship Vice-Admiral Kulakov which was shadowed by HMS Northumberland, Typhoon jets flying above the Russian warship Vice-Admiral Kulakov, Asailor on board HMS Northumberland monitors Boikiy, Russian warship threatensto ram the US Navys destroyer John S McCain, Royal Navy shadows NINE Russian warships stalking Britains coast in just two weeks, Putin's thugs close in on ravaged Ukrainian city with thousands fleeing as intense fighting rages, Partygate buster Sue Gray's son 'boasting about mum on campaign trail as he tries to unseat Boris Johnson', Suella Braverman vows to stop the boats with new law to crack down on migrants using human rights laws to stay in UK, Runaway mum Constance Marten was 'groomed' by evil Nigerian sect leader, Man 'naked and covered in blood' arrested before mum found 'murdered' at home as neighbours reveal hearing screams, Rishi Sunaks new bill to end the Channel migrant crisis is crucial for the Tories, Leicester 'explosion': Listen to massive 'sonic' boom that shook homes and rattled windows. The conflict in Donbass has killed 15,000 people, Kyiv says. Yes, have to agree, Gallipoli wasnt one of our finest ever ventures. If this invasion happens it could well lead to the Chinese taking the opportunity to seize Taiwan, Iran will cause trouble in the Straits of Homuz and missile man could well take the opportunity to invade the South. NSM is able to navigate by GPS, inertial and terrain reference systems. It seems Not! Chechen warlord 'seriously ill' but refuses to call Russian doctors over 'poison' fears Ramzan Kadyrov is the leader of Chechnya and a close confidant of Vladimir Putin Sadly its not nonsense, the number of ships laying off shore is rising. And its theseRead more . Russia isnt confident, Putin is looking for foreign enemies to placate the growing criticism at home. Britain disputed the Russian version of events, with Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab calling it "predictably inaccurate". Missile attacks would take advantage of Ukraine's weaker anti-missile defences. The ships, which can each carry up to 25 armoured personnel carriers, were deployed three days ago but it remains unclear if they are heading for Ukraine. Royal Navy shadows Russian ships after 'high activity' in Channel The target selection technology provides NSM with a capacity for independent detection, recognition, and discrimination of targets at sea or on the coast. The group of vessels, which remained in international. The Sun website is regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), Our journalists strive for accuracy but on occasion we make mistakes. Broker a deal to have Russian military bases in their country. the less we have to do with the ukraine the better. Could be a rerun of the 1904 Russian fleet of to the far East didnt go too well for them then but they did attack Traelers of dogger bank. Turkeys first dedicated intelligence-gathering ship, TCGUfuk(A-591), was officially commissioned into service at Istanbul Shipyard in Tuzla, Istanbul, on 14 January, smail Demir, head of Turkeys Presidency of Defence Industries (SSB), has announced. I didnt think anyone could be worse than Trump. Putin is getting old and hybrid warfare is fruitful but getting boring. The weakness is in Biden. Perhaps all they want is a buffer zone with no NATO assets in sight? Agree but the Russians view is that any weapon in hand can be used against an enemy and therefore gets kept. The seven Russian ships - two frigates, three corvettes and two landing ships - were initially tracked by HMS Tyne, an offshore patrol craft. 'Russia is stopped when it is stopped, not when Putin decided that he achieved enough.'. With what? America last night warned the Kremlin of 'massive consequences' as its top diplomat flew to Europe for last-ditch talks aimed at averting war.